Tuesday, December 13, 2005

Mourning los Muertos

I am certain I will be accused of being heartless and being admonished for a perceived lack of tears for those Stanley "took" Williams was convicted of murdering. I am aware that he was convicted but you will have to excuse my lack of faith in the criminal (in)justice system in this country. Executions make me cry. They make me cry because of the enormous power differential they display. I cry for all those involved which includes every single one of us.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

So you have a similar view to the Catholic Church. The statement they released for your reference :


"This is terrible because you know the death penalty is a penalty where there is no alternative, there is no possibility for the human being who happens to be a criminal - to be corrected, to reform, to become a good citizen.

"With the death penalty you don't give that alternative and that is not taking into account the many, many mistakes and errors, judicial errors that we discover from time to time were committed and innocent people were executed."

I'm going to try really hard to not sound judgemental towards you, but this is my more or less standard response in all the outlets that are discussing this event ...

Clemency was not granted because Schwarzenegger (sp) felt that redemption could not be granted to someone that could not atone for his wrongdoings.

Now, perhaps this is overly PC of me to say (esp. because I'm not a really PC person), but even if he did not commit those crimes, he was found guilty after a trial by his peers and is thus guilty. Would it have been too much for him to say "yeah, I know I've been denying this for years, but I'm sorry?" It comes off as a pride move, "no, I am innocent and saying that is more important that staying alive ... after all, I am still going to be locked up anyway."

I don't know Mala there are two sides to every coin ... for all the good he did with his books, I mean, do you really think that the type of children that get involved in gangs will pick up these books? I really see those books being read by white children that aren't even exposed to that, but then again I have not briefed myself with the type of distribution these books had. In addition, he founded this gang. A gang that still exists. A gang that is still an imminent threat to all of us, to the point that the local precinct to the center of where I volunteer at faxes over warnings of initiation practices, so we can "watch out." What about that?

And yes, what about those that were killed? If you haven't been directly affected by such an act, then you will never fathom. You can try and think you can, but trust, you will not. I've been involved in these activities since I could and I never truly grasped it until I found myself starring in the storyline as well. They never got to live their fully developed lives and what type of justice can they be granted?

I know this entry is all over the place, so I guess thanks for reading.

12/13/2005 01:24:00 PM  
Blogger Ms.Maegan said...

I don't know if my position on the death penalty is so because of my Catholic upbringing or because of my belief in real justice.

I said, for me as a person of color, I cannot help but notice how overwhelmingly the death penalty is used against people of color. I , having worked with street organizations or gangs as they are more properly called, don't agree with the violence committed within them but I understand why they were created and why they continue to exist. And tell me what are the children who join gangs like?

Too too many cases of innocent people being wrongfully executed for crimes they didn't commit...no..even just one person being wrongfully executed for a crime they did not commit causes me to pause.

Are you saying that an innocent person if convicted should apologize for something they did not do?

To assume I have never lost anyone I love to violence is alot to assume.

What good did the execution of Stanley Tookie Williams do? Will it stop gang violence? Will it stop violence period? Or does it make someone feel better and sleep better at night because it does neither of those things for me.

12/13/2005 04:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is going to speak/write/protest about the other death row inmates who also may have found God or seen some other light now that they face death penalty? Tookie's case is not so different from a lot of others. he had a bunch of liberal (white) supporters with media connections. That's why so many liberal people are hung up on the guy. I don't support the death penalty, either, but I know that Tookie Williams was convicted of four murders. He may have been reformed but he ain't no saint.

12/14/2005 03:15:00 PM  
Blogger Ms.Maegan said...

I agree that there are many other cases of those on death row who have found God (whatever that means for them) or regret what they have done etc. I was merely reflecting my thoughts on one particular day that this particular thing happened, plus it is important to note the impact the criminal decisions he made (i.e. forming the Crips) had on society.

12/14/2005 03:40:00 PM  
Blogger fiercelyfab said...

Yeah, I felt the same way--sad about the fact that someone got killed by the state in the name of justice. A--what can I do, this is messed up, someone has been put to death by the state and nothing has changed due to his death, sadness.

12/15/2005 02:34:00 AM  

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