Friday, April 28, 2006

A Big Song and Dance About Song Nuesto Himno


Blogger jack (aka angrybrownbutch) said...

Wow, that pissed me off. I flew off the handle on them in the comments. It was fun.

4/28/2006 08:24:00 PM  
Blogger Ms.Maegan said...

Ha ha. I know I saw and was happy to see you there!!

4/28/2006 09:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

excuse my lateness...

"I live in the only sovereign state that I know,
the state of insecurity."

This works because it forces your reader to look at what's being said and form a relationship with the words, the image, a feeling and intent. It has a social significance that can be applied to any time period. And if the speaker in your poem is a woman, only all the better. Bravo.

Could it be worked around and made better? Sure. Most written stuff can. Does it work within the context of your poem? I don't know; I haven't read/heard it.

You know, I was wrong to say "cheapen" (I can't recall using those words, but it wouldn't surprise me to know I have... hehehehe). But your use--misuse--of language does do something to your writing. Ultimately, it detracts from content. That has always been my issue with your writing.

Effective writing has no "purpose" to it. Whatever purpose the writer has is deep within the subtext. (Yes, you can quote all the manifestos you want--I'm talking strictly from a fiction/poem perspective.) Your flowing back and forth between languages isn't for any deeper meaning: it is your reluctance to commit to meaning within your subtext. Your “purpose” of capturing the real language you speak in, think in and feel in is fine—but it just inhibits you from properly handling either language. How would your writing differ if you were to command both languages with the fluidity of a native speaker of each language? You are a native speaker of both languages, by the way. It’s a form of laziness, Maegan. You’ve gotten accolades for what you do, why should you try anything different!

For example, if you were to write:
"I vivo in the only sovereign state that I conozco, el estado of insecurity." Sure, the point could be made that it reflects the speech of the speaker, etc. but ultimately it isn't a well thought-out line. (When it's well thought-out, it comes out like the version you wrote.) And that is not to say that it is always “wrong”—the discussion of writing is never referred to as being “right” or “wrong” it’s more of a “honest/false” sort of thing--to write in different, or specific, personas. But are you even aware of it? No writing instructor has ever told you to experiment with forms of expression.

And something that someone from an MFA program can tell you is that in order to grow as a writer, you have to experience shit and you have to try different forms of writing. (I.e. if you only write, third, write first; if you are an adjective whore, stop fucking around; if you can only do spanglish, try doing both separately, maybe chose your moments more carefully.) The MFA is not about conforming. It is about breaking down writing to its most basic form. Content and subtext. What is done after that is understand is entirely up to the writer.

You need to hear that. I'm sure you love everyone on the blogosphere to stroke you and all that good stuff. Fuck, everyone wants groupies. But that's not real. There is no growth there. I doubt most of these people understand the physical and mental duress of a writer. Let alone craft issues and all that fucking bullshit. Every great writer cultivated a group of writers, peers, who were honest with him or her.

It's time for you to do the same.

Fuck that bullshit that your mother did to you. Fuck the stroking. Fuck pining on my privilege. Or on your situation. You're doing it. You're gonna keep doing it. And that’s pretty admirable. I've always appreciated your talent--but you don't want to move outside of your comfort zone. (Yes, discomfort can be comfort, blah, blah, blah.) Why not try something different?

An MFAer,
Marco Fernando Navarro

4/30/2006 11:14:00 PM  
Blogger Ms.Maegan said...

Wow Marco, I can actually and honestly say that I ma glad you commented. Thank you for coming out of your anon mask (don't worry I won't out you).

Absolutely , I think writing programs and MFA programs can be good for forcing you out of your comfort zones, forcing you to experiment with different genres, which is something I admit I've always wanted, someone to give me a loving kick in the ass. Pero even that is a point of privilege, to have the time and money to commit to something like that. yes yes I know that part of it is taking time, which is something I have been poor at.

Anyway, the point is to talk about it and write about it and fucking write.

Thank you again

5/01/2006 07:54:00 AM  
Blogger kactus said...

Ugly, ugly ugly comments. I liked that one commenter who kept saying "OUR country, OUR language, OUR birthright(altho true to racist form he misspelled it birthwright)" in total oblivion to U.S. and Mexican history. And they're such law-and-order freaks, suddenly--"illegal immigrants" this, "illegal Mexicans" that.

5/01/2006 09:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm impressed that you kept your cool and wits about you in the face of all that idiocy, over and over again. And so many _flavors_ of ignorance, all at once. I woulda snapped early on and veered off topic, to the detriment of any points made. Great replies.

--Steve E.

5/01/2006 01:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Lauren said...

Those "natural" citizens drivin me crazy. I never read your blog before but you kept your composure while sticking up for something thats worth it & actually means something. Im sick of these idiots talkin bout they are basically better than a immigrant... Also over a damn song people freakin out over & thats ridiculous.. its pathetic. Makes me ashame to be white when theres people like that talkin bout people i love.. unfortunatly where i live theres punks like that everywhere... including our racist sheriff who likes to pull suprise raids on innocent families. I'm fed up with this crap they need to give AMNESTY to all "illegals" & then problems would be solved except for racism but who knows when that'll change right....

5/01/2006 09:17:00 PM  

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